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09
Apr

The Group Scene: Book Writers, Workshops, and Weirdness

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The QRW commenters are a fantastic group. You offer up your own experiences in response to posts, suggest fascinating differences of opinion, and generally provide your unwavering support to the blog and the writer (me). You rock.

One comment from last week, in fact, inspired a double dose of posts over today and tomorrow. Sherree asked about my participation in writing and communications groups. Are they helpful? Effective? Supportive? Worth the cash? A terrific posting topic. Plus, it occurred to me that there are two areas I write about in this blog that the topic applies.

So, let’s analyze the group scene (heh heh heh). Today – writers groups online and off for aspiring novelists and nonfiction writers. Tomorrow – marketing/writing/networking groups for freelancers.

This being the QuietRebelWriter blog, you can always expect some snark. And when it comes to writers groups for budding book writers, I gots it aplenty. Aspiring novelists in particular are constantly told of the benefit of workshopping. Students in undergrad and MFA writing programs, or attendees of national publishing conferences, do this ad nauseum: subject their work to the constructive criticism of their peers, with the hope that out of the din will emerge a few helpful suggestions and tips to strengthening the work. When the class or workshop is conducted well, with a zero tolerance policy for grandstanding, filibustering, or general viciousness, workshops can be as beneficial as they are intended.

So – what about the rest of us that are not in school, don’t have the cash to plunk down for expensive and anonymous workshopping conferences, but who still want some helpful feedback? We can show our work to our friends and significant others, but will invariably receive biased feedback that prevents hurt feelings or withheld sex. But we really need outside opinions. We need the kind of workshop that we may remember from school. Where can we turn?

When it came to my own novel, I thought it through. Where did I turn when I needed something? Where did I go for the things that I desired, from jobs to apartments to furniture to concert tickets? Craigslist, of course. And since Craigslist offered not only careers and tangible items for sale, but also discussion, social opportunities, and platonic and full-contact human companionship, it made perfect sense. And since I’m writing about it now, you can be assured that it was the train wreck you’re all predicting it would be.

I searched elsewhere for the kind of community and (free) external review I sought, scoping out local artsy papers and groups, but only on Craigslist did I find a notice from a small writers group assembling in Chicago with the express purpose of creating a workshop type environment. The organizer and a few members of the group had a roster of self-published books to their credit, but most were newbies. Perfect. The first couple sessions went well, although they were dominated by the organizer’s strong personality and tendency to constantly refer to his self-published glory. Plus, I was pretty disappointed in the caliber of writing I was seeing, even from the proclaimed expert. But I stuck in, offered up some questions and comments, and submitted my own work. On the day my chapters were reviewed, I got quite a bit of detailed constructive feedback. I wasn’t looking forward to the tough editorial decisions I would have to make as a result, but I was grateful for the thoughts.

Perhaps it was my youth, or my gender. Perhaps my poker face wasn’t so poker-y. Whatever the reason, the organizer continually apologized for all the comments as they came, something he didn’t do with anyone else. He apologized for the constructive criticism during my review, during our break, at the end of the meeting, and even in a series of emails over the next week. He did it so much, I got annoyed. I came in knowing about constructive criticism, and expecting it. The constant apologies implied something, something a bit uncertain but disquieting. I politely told the organizer that I was fine, that apologies weren’t necessary, and that I was tougher than I might look. That’s when things got weird. He threw a email hissy fit, saying I obviously didn’t value the years of experience and publishing credits he had, and that I obviously couldn’t take the rigors of writing and publishing a novel.

Um, ok. I thought about it. I got a bad feeling about all of it. I didn’t go back.

After, I looked for other groups, through libraries, other listings, and friends. Frustration. I eventually tried online writing groups, figuring the lack of face-to-face might eliminate weirdness. The group I chose had wonderful rules governing the amount and type of comments members must contribute. But I was one of seemingly hundreds, lost in the intimidating amount of group messages. I dropped out.

Writers are told to get honest feedback. Easier said than done when you’re out of the school environment or trying to prevent massive expense. I finally bit the bullet and bought admission to the University of Iowa Summer Writing Program. I got focused, salient, expert advice in a caring, non-weird environment, guidance that pushed me through to the end of my book. It was pricey, but it was helpful.

What about you? Had better luck, and found writing groups that serve you well? Have you found benefit with expensive programs?

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8 Responses to “The Group Scene: Book Writers, Workshops, and Weirdness”

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    Alberto Lung Says:

    nice psot… i´m looking for fwllow wirter here in brazil to start awriting group… but i have find it really hard to do…

    we dont have criglist hehehe

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    Sherree Geyer Says:

    I tip my hat to you Amy. I can’t imagine subjecting my writing to workshop critism. Geez, I used to cringe when my grade school teacher put my compositions on the overhead projector for critism and she covered my name! I guess the moral of the story is you get what you pay for. You bit the bullet price wise, but the investment in valid critism, I’m sure, will pay dividends down the road in terms of multiple book deals. And, best of all, no psychologically imbalanced workshop leaders to put up with! The Iowa Writer’s Workshop is pretty prestigious. I think John Irving is an alum of that program. I have a friend who attended it as well. Thanks for taking my suggestion, Amy. I look forward to your next post.

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    Amy Says:

    @Alberto - I think in most regions and countries it’s always difficult to find someone you connect with and trust enough with your work. That’s probably some of the reason I was so weirded out with my experience.

    @Sherree - flashback. I remember my teachers doing that too! You’re right - I think my investment in the summer program was well worth it. I went to Iowa as an undergrad, so it was even more worth it - a trip back to my campus. And yes - the Iowa Writer’s Workshop is beyond prestigious. I never attended classes there as a undergrad or grad - extremely hard to get into. What’s nice is that they take that prestige and expertise and offer a summer program available to anyone serious about their work.

    Thank YOU for the suggestion, and hope you like tomorrow’s post.

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    2ThePoint Says:

    Writing groups aren’t for me. I tried it a few times and it put me off - the politics, the collective (cy-borg) thinking, ugh - not me. Not saying some writing groups aren’t great, some of them are probably fantastic, but they’re not for me.

    take care, Amy :-)

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    Amy Says:

    @2ThePoint - I completely agree on the politics and collectivism. There’s a underlying feeling of watching your back when you’re in the group. I liken it to my foolhardy and failed sorority experience in college - sisterhood is a nice concept, and given a lot of lip service, but far from the reality of catty backstabbing behavior.

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    DebMc Says:

    I’ve been fortunate. I found a serious, but encouraging local writers’ group. They are professional with many published credits, plus a few self-published, and a good number of publishing virgins. The expertise of the group ranges from poetry to magazines to children’s books to novels of all sorts. Meeting every week is a definite plus.

    I went to the group with a few magazine credits under my belt. Quickly, I learned that I knew next to nothing about writing fiction. Over the past five years, I’ve grown tremendously as a writer, but also as a critiquer. It is a skill to master the art of finding the good as well as the awful in someone’s work.

    Many people, even though they know we are a read and critique group, expect us all to swoon with pleasure after hearing them read. Most of the time, we don’t. lol If a newbie sticks it out, they can and will grow….as long as they listen and learn to RE-WRITE. A hard lesson.

    Critique groups can be worthwhile if you find the right mix. Too many groups are vicious or too ‘fluffy’. I want professionalism with a healthy dose of encouragement to follow the dream.

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    Justin Says:

    I’m finishing up my undergrad in just a few weeks and I’m already scouring Craigslist for local groups. I’m also trying to keep email contacts for a handful of my workshop classmates; my Web2.0 ass is hoping we can maybe do AIM/chat workshops or something to that effect.

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    Amy Says:

    @DebMC - terrific points. Sounds like you’ve hit upon the holy grail of writing groups, but you had to be open to learning and growing. Plus - meeting every week is a significant committment, one that means all of you are serious about it, and the results will benefit. So they are out there!!

    @Justin - keeping the gang together online sounds like a great way to transition from the school environment to the outside. Good luck with that. And awesome post on fragmentation at NeverSleep.

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